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Unread post by thiefcat » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:54 am

I am so upset. The ways things are going and almost all medias are reporting as though Johnny Depp is a drunk and drug addict who blacks out and not knowing what he did under those situations. I know he never admit to beating her but everything just does not look good for him either. I really wish he could clear his name and reputation. Hopefully things will get better when it's time to drill Amber Heard and expose all her hoax.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:58 am

Over for today. Sounds like he ended strongly, after an OMG moment (not reading witness statement) - but I am not certain that's what he said, I also think we lost words in the 'head butting' discussion. I believe from later bit in the transcript what he was saying is that in trying to calm her down they clashed heads. Trouble is - he is a mumbler but the court reporter will be able to pick it up. I doubt very much that every move of the fights is in the witness statement - you aren't going to say "and then I moved to the left side of the room and our shoulders hit one another, and then she punched me, and then I held out my arm etc etc etc"

His lawyer gets to pick up the loose ends tomorrow thank goodness.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:04 pm

Thiefcat - maybe we should have better prepared ourselves although I don't know how we could have done - but it was bound to be like this initially. You think because his side goes first that he gets to tell his story but in this system that isn't how it works - he's told his story in his witness statements. The other side are trying to unpick it - and so far all they've done is hunker down on drugs. He's been stoic and not given in - I thought he ended really strong, clearly not just stating his case that he didn't abuse her - but pointing out that the evidence (ie texts that came about after AH made claims to her parents and sent photos) - didn't corroborate claims of abuse.

Interesting the parents dynamic isn't it? So she sends her mother photos, and her father says responds to JD by text. My father would have had the police around if I had sent photos of a hurt face. No matter who I was married too.

Her father tells him that her violence has to stop and his drugs/alcohol has to stop. Hmmmm

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Unread post by hollyberry » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:07 pm

I know it's upsetting seeing how they're dragging him through the mud, but this is their turn.
The Sun are scumbags, Heard's a sociopath, but Johnny hasn't presented his side of things yet. And he will, mark my words.
Then it'll be their dirty laundry exposed.

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Unread post by Lbock » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:24 pm

Wow, tough couple of days. Remember, their side is in the lead right now presenting the very worst of him. David Sherborn will recross a bit tomorrow, but he'll get his opportunity with Amber and her witnesses. I knew no one was going to come out perfect in this, I knew there would be grey areas. I am just hoping its not enough for the judge to feel NGN "proved" even one allegation.

But there are some tough things to overcome

1. Johnny did at the end of yesterday admit to blacking out, that was tough as she claims he doesn't remember harming her and she took picitures to show him what he did. This corresponds to Stephens texts, however they play it, it can leave doubt for the judge.

2. It appears to some chatting in the court room, there is speculation they believe he cut his finger. NGN will push that all his witnesses for the Australia incident are paid employees and he never told Dr. Kipper in the texts that AH did it. So that leaves doubt for the Judge.

3. Today, Johnny not only admitted he didn't read his witness statement (but signed it), but was caught in a covert audio from San Francisco where they were discussing incidents regarding the TRO and he admitted to Headbutting her Forehead, not nose. He said on the stand this was accidental as he was holding her to keep her from hitting him. However, his statement was prior to them findout out about this audio and Sasha Wass suggested he is now only admitting to it (and saying he didn;t read his witness statement and trusted the lawyers to right the correct things), to cover that we now know he did "head butt her."

The problem with this - she apparently has bruises and his witness Samantha McMillen stated she was up close, no make up, good lighting and no bruises. Not sure how they will balance that.

Re photo of him sleeping on the floor. It's been deduced to be from Japan and here is an interesting post to see how exhausted he would be

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:00 pm

Excellent summary Lbock, I think I would say the following.

1. It is going to come down to character. Blacking out/falling asleep - how do you hit someone? How he describes the black out is him being out for the count. So it's going to rely on her being perceived as telling the truth.

2. There is other corroborating evidence. The audio supports although I don't think proves she did it. More strongly is again character. Her descriptions of her injuries are so extreme and yet she was taken back on a plane, no medical treatment etc. Some of those witnesses no longer work for JD.

3. I think we lost quite a few words from Nick's wonderful typing. I am sorry I simply don't believe he was allowed not to read it - he may not have written it or even remember it in detail, and certainly didn't read it last night but I think that can be picked up by David Sherborne.

On the bruising we still only had AH's evidence - as I read it - he was shown a picture and perhaps commented more than he should - because he started speculating. Isn't this the picture Adam has teased us about? Again - she gave horrific descriptions of her injuries. Now I suspect after throwing herself about the place she may have had the odd mark and we may be coming down to how people describe things. If someone said two black eyes to me I would think that would be very serious ie really marked, swollen, discoloured. She said she had a busted (she thought broken nose) and split lip - whereas even in the photo she seems to just have a small bleed on her lip - could have come from anything at all, her lips are very dry. And was there meta data on the photo - does anyone know? When was it taken?

None of this has been held up to account yet. If she has been taking staged photos - JD can't account for or answer to those. On reflection after a bit of research today - we are all doubting the photo of the cocaine table from yesterday. But if given it on the stand yesterday any of us may have accepted it was genuine and not questioned it - just assumed you didn't remember from 7 years ago.

Well I am hoping if these are my random thoughts, David Sherborne is so much cleverer - he'll have better ideas! And that's why each side gets to re-direct.

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Unread post by Lbock » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:13 pm

Here is a bit of my knowledge on that audio and his witness statement.

He provided witnesses statements. They add new/amended ones as she did to answer to each other.

Last week or two, an audio was supplied that AH covertly recorded while they met in San Fran after/during the TRO. Much of it is inaudible and Sherborn tried to get a better/raw copy for a better transcript. Judge ruled work with what you got. It did pick up that Johnny had said I headbutted you in the forehead not the nose unintentionally. As he explains.

As far as I can tell, a witness statement was already submitted where he denies any headbutting. So they have to fix this. And Yes, the lawyers complete the statement, he reads it and "not headbutting" is not the same as "accidently bumping heads" so it didn't mean anything except now we have a recording.

So maybe lawyers falling on the sword a bit to take blame that they mis-interpreted or didn't think the accidental bumping was pertinent.

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Unread post by Newt » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:19 pm

What's clear is that this must be an exhausting ordeal to go through and if I were Johnny, I'd get mixed up in the recollection here and there. Fact is, of course it's going to be ugly considering they're trying to taint his character any way they can and they have been pushing the drug angle, 99% of it is only drugs, for three days.

And the way Wass keeps twisting it around, telling Johnny "no this happened, no you didn't feel pain, no, no, no" as if she was there or speaks for him, I don't see how that plays in Heard's favor in any way. She's wasted a lot of time here but then again, that's because they don't have anything here.

For the witness statement, it doesn't seem like he remembered. Heard is more deviant than I gave her credit for, she'd been planning this for a long, long time and lord knows what else she staged.

When the tables are turned, I don't see how it doesn't become apparent within a few minutes that Heard is a master manipulator, compulsive liar and crazy person. And we know that she's a terrible actress on the stand, no amount of coaching is going to change that. Anyone knows if her assistant's testimony that Heard was abusive to her and her daughter is going to be in? Because that's going to be delicious to see.


@Lbock: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, okay, so it's semantics based? ie he accidentally heat butted her but it needs to be phrased this way instead of "unintentionally?"

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:28 pm

I think we also have to re-think how we think about the witnesses for each side.

Miss Wass is going to next try to take apart Sean, Stephen, Malcolm, Kate etc etc. That isn't going to be very pretty either.

But we all have to hold strong - because David Sherborne gets AH, iO, Raquel and a very reluctant Melanie. Pitted against an awful lots of inconsistencies.

Tasya van Rey not doing a Vanessa I notice and turning up to explain things.

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Unread post by Newt » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:31 pm

What I don't see is how Wass is going to somehow discredit the two police officers who never saw any bruises on her. That's going to be fun. Ultimately, we have facts, we have tons of inconsistencies, framing, other people who know how Heard is, how she gets, who she truly is, etc. And Johnny apparently never once got angry, his demeanor is always calm, patient, I can't imagine that doesn't play in his favor too.

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Unread post by Lbock » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:34 pm

AdeleAgain wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:28 pm
I think we also have to re-think how we think about the witnesses for each side.

Miss Wass is going to next try to take apart Sean, Stephen, Malcolm, Kate etc etc. That isn't going to be very pretty either.

But we all have to hold strong - because David Sherborne gets AH, iO, Raquel and a very reluctant Melanie. Pitted against an awful lots of inconsistencies.

Tasya van Rey not doing a Vanessa I notice and turning up to explain things.
Melanie was reluctant. Now that JD admitted to the bruise, she doesn't have to contend alone with Samantha

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Unread post by Lbock » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:37 pm

@newt
Lbock wrote: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, okay, so it's semantics based? ie he accidentally heat butted her but it needs to be phrased this way instead of "unintentionally?"
What I meant was, it was left out of the witness statement because he didn't intentionally do it as she was claiming. He didn't just grab her and bam. He was holding her in a hug trying to calm her down and she was trying to continue hitting him and in the struggle he accidentally or unintentionally head butted her forehead (I wish he simply said we bumped heads). But these are the words used.

But he now had to acknowledge it and why it wasn't in the witness statement.

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:03 pm

Newt wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:26 am
Might be her job but when he tells her he was in pain and she tells him "no you weren't", or that sort of BS, it's out of line. Anyway, they're right now recounting the finger tip incident and Johnny is handling it super well it seems.
She also mentioned Amber drinking 2 or 3 glasses of wine and he corrected her saying two or three bottles and she hold him that was ridiculous. This goes beyond asking questions but the judge is putting her in her place when she does things like this. JD's reply was that she can believe what she wants to believe.
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Unread post by myfave » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:03 pm

Twitter now has more negative comments about Johnny.
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:17 pm

myfave wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:03 pm
Twitter now has more negative comments about Johnny.
That's because people don't know any better and only believe what is presented to them. It's going to be a long three weeks but once she and her witnesses get on the stand it's going to be party time (Whitney, Josh, Raquel, iO, Melanie and Kristina Sexton. That's it. Turns out Whitney did do a statement but according to Johnny's attorney she doesn't any really say anything about Amber being abused and the only injury she ever saw were burns on the arm which Amber said was from cooking or curling iron and Amber never made any allegations about being burned by him anyway. What she did say doesn't match up with the allegations, according to him.

So from what I can tell is that she has no witnesses who can testify to seeing him abuse her.
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