The Lawsuits Thread

[ShauniS]

These were absolutely therapy sessions between the two of them and there are more recordings also because Johnny said "go back and listen to the tapes, that's what they're there for" and he also asked "send me the tapes." The second recording doesn't being with anyone making the call so I really don't know who initiated it. Johnny was trying so hard to be patient with her and it breaks my heart to hear the sadness and disbelief in his voice when he says "You're a thing I make up in my head and I can't believe you're doing this to me...I can't believe it."

ForeverYoung.....I agree. It broke my heart listening to him. He's just such a gentle soul and it was obvious that he loved her. He even said several times how much he loved her and wanted to try to save them both from what they're going through now by it becoming public. Hearing his sadness was heartbreaking.

[AdeleAgain]

On the matter of timing for the two cases I agree it seems unlikely they will be ready in July and August. Presume that is why they are continuing to file the evidence on JD's side and the press are picking it up (or it is being leaked). It is interesting what is getting a lot of traction - loads of outlets (including very cool hiphop outlets and things like that) are focusing on the possibility of her doing jail time if she is proven to have lied in documents. I wonder if Adam Waldman is just keeping on pressure for an apology and settlement from the Sun? Also lots of outlets talking about how the tide of sentiment has turned - which it certainly has.

I feel like something else big is coming, I am not sure my nerves can stand it.

[justintime]

I find the High Court’s ruling upsetting. I don’t care one iota about being privy to her testimony, nor how brief it may be. I just cannot stomach this vile creature being cut any quarter whatever. Any decision that carries the potential to cause more pain for Johnny and that can be thrashed around as a “win” for her for the interminable months ahead makes me ill. I do hope the very busy Mr. Sherborne is digging deep and thoroughly in his personal preparation for this case. Johnny deserves no less.

[Lbock]

I find the High Court’s ruling upsetting....

Actually I’m kind of happy. I think she wanted her entire testimony private. The rule in UK is people who claim sexual abuse/domestic violence usually get to testify in private. So the judge is only allowing a very small portion to be private. And Adam said they didn’t argue against that (I think it was about the entire testimony).

[ForeverYoung]

Personally I think they WANT her to testify, like "Bring it on we're ready to crucify you."

[ForeverYoung]

The UK has very high numbers expected. I think they had to just put something on the calendar to keep the case active.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/health/u ... index.html

On the otherhand, if she keeps going out the way she does with no gloves or facial masks there is a very good chance she will get the virus. She could even get quarantined or sick and not be able to testify. Anything can happen, is all I am saying.

[AdeleAgain]

I still cannot believe she is going to testify - it just defies all logic. She has repeatedly lied in court documents - I think she is just pushing this out as far as she can because she cannot admit she is wrong or lied. Her own lawyers cannot really want her to go on the stand and have to listen and explain her own tape recordings and her own words. I still think this is just all brinkmanship on her/the Sun's part. But I agree, JD's side would love to get her on the stand.

The media narrative may have changed to mutual abuse or whatever - just because she hit him doesn't mean he didn't hit her etc - but this isn't media, her testimony was that she was beaten and terrified.

[ForeverYoung]

I still cannot believe she is going to testify...

I think she is still trying to save her reputation which was flushed down the toilet a long time ago.
Do we have an emoji for that?

[justintime]

The rule in UK is people who claim sexual abuse/domestic violence usually get to testify in private. So the judge is only allowing a very small portion to be private.

Thanks for the clarification. Given her claim, then, I guess she only was permitted the least accommodation possible. Good. Believe me, I didn’t mean to imply I was hoping she wouldn’t have to testify. I want to see her pummeled in that witness chair to the point where she is revealed beyond question to be the unforgivable remorseless liar, ruthless fame whore, and merciless abuser we all already know her to be.

Does that bit of “private testimony” ever become available to the public?

[Lbock]

It’s not supposed to ever be public. What I’m
Not sure about is if Johnny can be present

[justintime]

What I’m Not sure about is if Johnny can be present

Good grief! How could the Plaintiff not be allowed to hear and see testimony as it’s being given in the case they initiated???

[Granna]

According to Adam Waldman statement. JD will be allowed to thoroughly examine and rebutt anything that she has to say.

[ForeverYoung]

That's correct. Johnny will be allowed to review her testimony and his lawyer will be able to cross examine her, when she testifies but I really don't think the trial is going to happen any time soon.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... sage-field

[Lbock]

What I’m Not sure about is if Johnny can be present

Good grief! How could the Plaintiff not be allowed to hear and see testimony as it’s being given in the case they initiated???

Because she isn’t the defendant. She’s a third party witness claiming he’s the perpetrator.

evidence given in private (available for some vulnerable and intimidated witnesses): exclusion from the court of members of the public and the press (except for one named person to represent the press) in cases involving sexual offences or intimidation by someone other than the accused, (s25 YJCEA);

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/special-measures

[justintime]

Aren’t all witnesses “third parties”, if not the Plaintiff or the Defendant? AH is not just a witness for the Defense. She is THE witness for the Defense - she and her years-long, ever evolving statements of increasingly horrific lies and wild tales are what NGN and Wooton have been counting on. Now, after creating in jury members’ minds an image of some “vulnerable and intimidated” star witness (AH), Johnny will not even be permitted to be present to watch this farce unfold? He can only “review” his accuser’s new testimony?

And to that point, when is the Plaintiff first made privy to this information? If it’s a new accusation or new evidence, doesn’t it have to be brought forward before the actual trial, in the form of discovery or something? Or does she just get to lob a bombshell lie for the Defense in the midst of the actual proceedings? “Private” proceedings during which a representative member of the press is present but NOT the Plaintiff!

I am very confused, or very thick-headed, or both . . .