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Unread post by Ruby Begonia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:32 pm

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So Amber gets to break three court orders for her deposition (one of the excuses was a lie) in the dv matter and he gets sanctioned? I am so sick of her doing things and then crucifying someone else for doing the same, except his was not court ordered. This is why I have no pity for the threats against her.
Could it be that her side is upset, not because Depp fans are doing a "tit for tat" with AH fans, but are so top notch in their detective work of finding dirt on not just AH but learning of the connections between her and other legal associates? Seriously, I am quite impressed with the information that's been discovered and collected regarding AH's misbehavior and sneaky tricks as well as pointing out the errors of Justice Nichol's past verdicts. Furthermore, if Depp fans are any way responsible for getting any Judge's knickers in a knot, I do believe JD's team would let us know. For example, Stephen Deuters recently posted this on his Twitter page:

"Thank you for the overwhelming support in the face of palpable adversity. We see you."

I would think he or someone on the Depp team would convey a scolding, as well, if we were out of line.
As much as I don't necessarily support hard core insults or graphics directed at AH and company, pointing out her and her cohorts wrong doings are fair game, in my opinion. It is certainly important to inform the general public who she really is and what she has done since main stream media isn't doing their job. For goodness sake, Johnny has been called a wife beater! That is just wrong. That said, I will shout from the roof top that Amber Heard is a husband beater, because the truth comes from her own words.
:agreesign: Since Twitter is not currently subject to regulations forbidding it from censoring whatever it wants, we can't claim free speech. It's possible 💩's backers could put pressure on @Jack to censor the deserved backlash against her. I haven't seen any physical threats against her, but there are literally millions of people standing with JD, so it's possible. Most are using her own recorded words against her in addition to her sordid public records that she's sealed or tried to have erased.

Also possible that some threats are her supporters posing as JD fans. Her supporters get away with far worse things than Depp stans are accused of. They frequently wish him dead & post funeral photos of him. I have seen death threats against JD, specifically when he took the stage as Grindelwald at ComicCon. So it isn't true that people were forgetting about her claims against him (esp journalists who've treated him like a pariah since 2016 ) and that there was no need to take legal action against her.

What, exactly, is her protected status? Queen Mera? Everyone on Twitter gets insulted. There are campaigns against people all the time. Johnny, e.g., gets maligned all the time for things having nothing to do with Amber. He doesn't demand anyone be silenced. Why does she get away with flouting legal requests & orders going back to 2016? Why does Johnny get nailed with fines & sanctions and she doesn't? Does the court see her as a delicate, vulnerable flower? Courts are really showing their bias in favor of women and it's sickening. Or is the fix already in? If so, I hope JD's high-paid attys would share that with him & save him more court costs by ending this.

I don't want showings of public support to cause trouble for JD with the court, but how can the judge expect his team to control literally millions of people? These are people outraged at the injustice being done to Johnny, not all of them fans of his.

I don't see anything wrong with publishing facts against her. In case the tech overlords decide to shut our voices down, it's best to do so sooner than later.

I'm focusing on trying to get JD back as Grindelwald. It's a longshot, but I would like to see him back in that role now that I've read that 3 will be focusing at least 50% on Dumbledore & Grindelwald. 3 is Johnny's number.

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Unread post by Lbock » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:57 pm

I won't stop fighting for Johnny. We have lots to post and educate commenters with. I think we need to back off judges and not attack her witnesses on the SM posts or in their DMs

It's pretty much convirmed WB in talks already with Mads Mikkelson to replace Johnny. I'm devastated. But maybe its better to just rip off the bandage all at once - ruling-firing-recasted. Moving on.

https://deadline.com/2020/11/mads-mikke ... 234612532/


Mads Mikkelsen In Talks To Replace Johnny Depp In ‘Fantastic Beasts’

There has been speculation on a number of thesps, but I hear that Yates is a big fan of Mikkelsen and that the Danish actor is the guy they are trying to lock in. He most recently wrapped the Doug Liman-directed Chaos Walking. Stay tuned.

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Unread post by RumLover » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:09 pm

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Any news about Musk and Franco doing their depositions, or has Johnny's side given up on getting those two to do the right thing?
I am concerned about witnesses being emboldened by the UK verdict to perjure. Will they consider lying to support Amber's side knowing that she & her lawyers have history of winning.

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:22 pm

Nobody on Amber's side does the right thing so why should we believe Musk and Franco will? Musk has been running from his deposition for a year and Franco was fighting to keep it private, or something. Bottom line is that they are both witnesses but she could have dirt on them. Lord only knows what kind of skeletons are in their closets.
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Unread post by Ruby Begonia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:52 pm

The $22,509 that the VA judge ordered JD to pay to the dark side was the amount of the sanctions against Adam Waldman for the valuable information he was getting out to the public; the information the media wouldn't investigate or print. A calculated risk they felt they had to take?

Mads M was pictured with Johnny at some event (the one with Jackie Chan?) and looked friendly with him, but everybody needs to earn a living. He's 2-3 inches taller than JD & JL, but he does really look like Grindelwald & could do a good job. Nothing against Mads, but I'm not ready to move on, sorry. It's Johnny's role and he shouldn't be railroaded out of it. I concede that he probably won't be back. :bawl:

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Unread post by Lbock » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:00 pm

Ruby Begonia wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:52 pm
The $22,509 that the VA judge ordered JD to pay to the dark side was the amount of the sanctions against Adam Waldman for the valuable information he was getting out to the public; the information the media wouldn't investigate or print. A calculated risk they felt they had to take?

Mads M was pictured with Johnny at some event (the one with Jackie Chan?) and looked friendly with him, but everybody needs to earn a living. He's 2-3 inches taller than JD & JL, but he does really look like Grindelwald & could do a good job. Nothing against Mads, but I'm not ready to move on, sorry. It's Johnny's role and he shouldn't be railroaded out of it. I concede that he probably won't be back. :bawl:
$22,509 are the sanctions Johnny has to pay for not doing his previously schedule and noticed October deposition.

There is a separate sanction request regarding Adam getting removed from the Case. Rottenborn did that and is asking for $5,900

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Unread post by justintime » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:19 pm

RumLover wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:09 pm
I am concerned about witnesses being emboldened by the UK verdict to perjure. Will they consider lying to support Amber's side knowing that she & her lawyers have history of winning.
ForeverYoung wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:22 pm
Nobody on Amber's side does the right thing so why should we believe Musk and Franco will? Musk has been running from his deposition for a year and Franco was fighting to keep it private, or something. Bottom line is that they are both witnesses but she could have dirt on them. Lord only knows what kind of skeletons are in their closets.
Another reason why winning a request for an appeal of the UK Decision ( not the appeal itself - not enough time) could work in Johnny’s favor in the VA suit. Both were potentially integral to verifying the presence (or lack) of AH bruises (in the elevator and in the PH). Don’t know if either of them ever actually complied with the depo subpoenas, but knowing the UK decision is being appealed may force each of them to play it straight for once rather than muck around with a tangled web of AH’s deceit and half truths.
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Unread post by justintime » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:34 pm

I believe this was retweeted by Lbock from Qwerty@TheNamesQ, and then from TheInfamousOnes6’s Twitter page. Thanks especially to epiphany@jacxpearl. Sincere apologies if I messed up in some way.



Nothing against Mads Mikkelsen, but beyond wishing he’d just turn those cowardly WB suits down flat, I hope he doesn’t rely on what WB may think is the “look” they need. There’s something in Johnny that allows him to free fall into the character of any role he plays. Johnny did that with Grindelwald, who is anything but just a charismatic villain. That’s why he was able to go out into a packed, untested audience at ComicCon, and deliver a Gellert speech so mesmerizing you could hear a pin drop. And, then, the crowd going wild with appreciation. No net.

Whatever WB paid Johnny it wasn’t near enough.
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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:09 am

:agreesign: Johnny owns that role from the eyes to the costume, etc. Nobody can play Grindelwald just like they can't play Captain Jack Sparrow. Dinsney and Warner Bros. both made a big mistake and they are going to learn the hard way.
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Unread post by Newt » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:12 am

Except that here, it's apparently David Yates who wants Mads. So you can't really blame him, he's not responsible for WB's decision, or rather, Toby Emmerich's decision. I'm gutted, I want Johnny back but honestly, in trade speak, in talks usually means "said actor has the part". So yeah, Mads is a great actor (though he's no Johnny), about the look, hem, I doubt they make him look completely different. Audiences and the characters themselves need to know it's (ugh) Grindelwald.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:28 am

I hate, hate, hate saying this but we've probably lost the Grindelwald struggle because I believe WB will move quickly to replace him with an uncontroversial choice. My heart is broken because I loved Harry Potter before I came across you lovely people and the fight for justice.

There may still be a miracle but even a super speedy appeal will be too late.

And we shouldn't hate on whoever replaces him although it further breaks my heart that I cannot go and see the next instalment.

I need to grieve a bit for this - in a way it has hit me even harder than loosing.

Lbock made a really thoughtful intervention yesterday and she is so right - we must focus on facts and what we can do.

1. This is a war and we've lost a big battle. But there is still plenty worth fighting for. I don't want to say it but unless there is a miracle and WB don't appoint someone else and do make a u-turn on Johnny which I doubt - I don't think he'll work for them again. But my enemies-enemy and all that. There must be some devious minds working for Disney who have clocked JD's popularity. Because let's be honest here and look at this superficially on paper: a man has just lost a wife beater libel case in a MeToo age has managed to positively out trend the biggest news stories and seen a surge of sympathy and support. If Johnny's team can get some kind of win, I fully believe Disney will want him back to help them transition Pirates.

2. I keep saying it but he's got the people behind him. We are in the trenches every day for him - you cannot expect all of those who have written comments, signed the petitions etc, been outraged to keep up that level of rage - but don't think they've forgotten just because they don't show up every day. At some point her lies will be fully, fully exposed. I still think it will be over the donations and/or perjury. When there is next a big development on this- the people who've come out will mostly come out again. And they won't forget what they've heard.

3. We can support the body of work that is there. Keep streaming. Keep playing. See Crock of Gold. Those on social media please keep on circulating the facts. It irks me everytime I am streaming one of his WB films but remember JD's getting royalties as well as WB. Every quarter he'll be getting those cheques from his relatives.

4. Lbock also made very good points yesterday about the protective order - unfortunately we may not be getting the sort of up to date developments on the case that feed us so neatly. But remember who wants that? Not Johnny - this is for Amber? She is the one who needs to sit on the truth about the donations and other things for as long as possible.

5. For those who want to despair that we wouldn't be here if he hadn't gone down this legal route - well no you are right but I was reminded by one of the twitter accounts that three years ago this week MOTOE came out. Remember how badly the press treated him - said he was drunk etc. And she was out posing all over the place as a victim/survivor. We were fighting a lonely battle. Now yes the press are still treating him badly but look how many people are on our side now - if it hadn't been for the legal process we would never have got the tapes, and those tapes make a mockery of the judgement. We have to keep her words alive.

This is going to be hard for the coming weeks/months - but we'll have solid arguments over the appeal. I don't know if that will succeed and I cannot make an informed judgement because no one seems to have the courage to be writing about what it could entail. Some of the lawyers on twitter say he has grounds - I just don't know - the naysayers are surprising short on details of why and I note again on twitter that the loudest mouth of them refused Gre3f's challenge to discuss the points of law. That gave me good heart.

Johnny fought long and hard for Damien Echols - he knows about injustice.

Just let's take care of ourselves and each other and for those who believe in whatever you believe in, pray/send good wishes for Johnny's mental health in what must right now be one of the most difficult weeks of his life. Pray he is galvanised not defeated - but if he is galvanised- know that it will have been us/you who have done that for him.

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Unread post by Chocolat » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:00 am

AdeleAgain :namaste: :goodvibes:
~ MAGICK HAPPENS ~
Through the years, for the many xoxo's, giggles & kindness...
thank you & love you Johnny.

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Unread post by Granna » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:45 am

Adele Again - BRAVO - WELL PUT.

Facts: Donations will do her in. We will probably find out in some kind that Elon Musk is the one that paid for the donations. 2-) the protective order is just that to protect her sorry behind, her partners of crime, her Entourage of clowns, the media circus that she owns, and her menagerie of butt kissing attorney. They are still planning and plotting. 3 ) Yes, I truly believe there are grounds - I believe so the connections are just too coincidental. 5) let us all remember that Johnny Depp made the character Captain Jack Sparrow and carried the franchise on his shoulders. Johnny Depp has made the character of Grindelwald for Fantastic Beasts. If Disney and Warner Brothers wish to be stupid - that's on them. I figure with her nasty vile habit of secret recordings, who else is she planning to possibly blackmail (imo) to manipulate.

Let us all remember that Johnny's favorite number is 3. The Best Is Yet To Come. One of the finest actors and true gentlemen of our time.

Let us keep him in our thoughts, prayers, show our love and support and try to maintain our realm of decency and respect to others as Johnny would wish us to do. Lashing out venting is one thing - but we know the barn witch and company are closely watching. We must be prepared. As you stated the fact that he is trending Above All Odds proves our point.

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:28 am

I don't care what male actor they replace Grindelwald with because it won't stop me from boyccotting that film and all future WB films.

Johnny lost his case against The Sun because of a judge who made his decisions based on assumptions and I wonder if anyone at WB actually tood the time to read the decision. I am not dismissing that a lot of people are Harry Potter fans who went to see the film but a lot of them were JD fans too and WB is going to be sorry when they have poor ticket sales.

As I said before, Amber Heard deserves all the backlashing she gets and more. Sorry, but she gets no quarter from me.
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