The Lawsuits Thread

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Unread post by Itsausername » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:55 pm

I might not watch tomorrow 😬

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Unread post by Someareborn » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:25 pm

Sidenote:
I wonder if the livestream coverage of the trial will have more views than a movie with AH in it? :spin:

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:25 pm

Today was a long day for everyone including JD but he did good. At the end of the day defense counsel started their cross exam and I thought the lawyer was being really rude but JD held his ground even though he must have been exhausted. I hope defense counsel starts off tomorrow a little more professional. :facepalm:
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:13 am

I think the frustrations we all have about things not being brought into evidence - because we know the case so well - are understandable but we have to be patient. I am getting more familiar with the system now especially hearsay! They can only ask people things within their knowledge - so for example- JD can't speak to the ACLU emails - they weren't directed at him. But his team will be able to ask her. Other witnesses will have to deal with other aspects of evidence.

The abuse allegations by AH have to be answered by her - as we've always said it is hard to prove a negative. Much better that she spews her claims in her evidence and then these are unpicked in cross examination.

Just one thing though - AH's lawyers are going to go for the witnesses jugulars - that's their job. If they had decent evidence, they could be nicer and let it speak for itself. We've now had more witnesses ie Kipper and Nurse Debbie say that on those supposedly horrific days she had no injuries. And more than anything for me the damning things is the extent to which she has fabricated her evidence. Elaine is relying on Amica cream and the fact that everyone edits photos. Really?

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Unread post by myfave » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:29 am

It seems to me that the lawyers are going for the technicality that the op Ed didn’t mention his name. The lies and abuse that happened before the op Ed can’t be used against her. He’s suing for defamation. Doesn’t seem to matter about HER lies and abuse. Only if the op Ed caused defamation of character to him and caused him to lose Pirates etc. they seem to have other ideas why he lost Pirates
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Unread post by Tallyann » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:15 am

Hi everybody. New here from the UK. I've been reading articles published online re this defamation case. Articles are being published daily by most UK tabloids however, interestingly, The Sun newspaper's last article was published yesterday. They haven't written anything about JD's mind-blowing testimony from yesterday ... wonder why? Is it because they can't say anything against AH for the fear of being hypocritical!!!????!!!! I'm monitoring this closely ....

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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:31 am

Watching recaps of the trial, plus some sections in whole, I cannot say I have an understanding as good as those watching in raw, in whole and live. Rottenborn seems to be pushing the actual defamatory content of the WaPo article and the damage done to JD’s career since then (18th December, 2018), trying to imply that it is Depp’s bad boy lifestyle and the original divorce claims that have cost him. Most ingenious imo.

The first defamation was in the false allegations made back in 2016, supported by the false evidence. The divorce settlement, the NDA, withdrawal of the TRO and the allegations and finally the joint statement they issued officially cleared JD of the allegations back then, even if many people still believed he had assaulted her.

Other publications felt emboldened to raise the initial allegations, semantically skirting defamation but leaving the disturbing impression that he was guilty but too wealthy and powerful to be brought to justice.

The WaPo article was the first substantive publication since the divorce that carried the same defamatory imputations, not from a hack staff journalist but under the name of his accuser. The abuse she claimed to have suffered was at JD’s hands during their relationship. Two years after the divorce she just confirmed to the world that all the rumours and smears since were true. She didn’t need to name names or provide details – we all knew who she meant and the details had already been embellished by the press for years now. It was the sheer lack of details provided in the WaPo article that made real the very worst speculations of the gutter press. The best stories leave the reader to fill in the most graphic, horrifying details for themselves. The details that even the MSM are afraid to report.

Until the WaPo article, there was doubt about Johnny, but no substance. The allegations had been withdrawn. After the article there was still no substance, but the WaPo masthead added weight and the ACLU endorsed her stand. In the MeToo and BelieveWomen political climate the difference between allegation and conviction was just a matter of time. It was not until Amber herself had reasserted her false allegations that there were tangible (and testable) claims of domestic abuse, even sexual violence, that could be attributed to Johnny. Anything denigrating JD prior to this was just rumour and innuendo. Now it could be assumed they were all true.

And now we know that Amber’s article was to further her image and public profile. And to further the political goals of the ACLU. Amber defamed Johnny in that article casually and with reckless disregard for the consequences to his life or career. She did it for her own benefit, the damage to Johnny was just an added bonus. It was the “and then to destroy what was left” component of the original hoax, finally coming to fruition. In this respect the defamation appears even more callous.

Whispers became words that became weapons. And it was only at this point that corporations and employers could move to ostracise and eventually drop Mr Depp with relative impunity. Guilt was not an issue, the very hint of scandal was sufficient and any responsibility could be plausibly shifted to AH’s credibility. Her public accusations became fact until challenged in a court of law. The prudent course of action for any potential employer would be to avoid using Depp until such time as his name has been cleared and the defamation acknowledged.

This trial in Fairfax is Mr Depp’s first chance to be heard in court and be judged by a jury of his peers. This is his only way to undo the defamation and clear his name, and even then, it can never be complete – some will still always see him as guilty.

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Unread post by Newt » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:51 am

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, Jason Momoa just started following Johnny on Instagram ! It's crazy how much the world seems to be waking up, it's blowing up the Internet, people are finally seeing Johnny's been telling the truth all along.

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Unread post by myfave » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:27 am

His texts to Amber and other people are going to be his downfall. How did his lawyers not see that??
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Unread post by bringmethathorizon » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:41 am

AH attorney is a rude :censored: . He won’t let Johnny say anything 😡 I hope Johnny can maintain his composure through this !!! It’s very hard to watch 😢
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Unread post by Yaya » Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:23 pm

bringmethathorizon wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:41 am
AH attorney is a rude :censored: . He won’t let Johnny say anything 😡 I hope Johnny can maintain his composure through this !!! It’s very hard to watch 😢
AH attorney is rude but he is also clutching at straws in my opinion, I don't think his method is working. He has no real evidence but he goes through documents at hundred miles an hour trying to create some. Half of the time AH attorney doesn't even ask a question and when he does ask a question, he is not letting Johnny answer or he cuts him off, which look bad for AH attorney not Johnny. I think Johnny is doing very well.

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Unread post by lizabel » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:00 pm

I've been watching it 'live' from UK & my opinion is also that AH lawyer isn't professional & I wondered if he's deliberately trying to confuse Johnny chopping & changing the dates of evidence to read. Johnny is doing extremely well, keeping his composure & long may that last! Like everyone else I'm sure, I'm reeling for Johnny having to have such intimate details of his life exposed like this when he's always tried to remain private & we've always respected that. It's hard to watch, but I almost feel I'm supporting Johnny in some small way.

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Unread post by Jack's Wench » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:37 pm

lizabel wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:00 pm
I've been watching it 'live' from UK & my opinion is also that AH lawyer isn't professional & I wondered if he's deliberately trying to confuse Johnny chopping & changing the dates of evidence to read. Johnny is doing extremely well, keeping his composure & long may that last! Like everyone else I'm sure, I'm reeling for Johnny having to have such intimate details of his life exposed like this when he's always tried to remain private & we've always respected that. It's hard to watch, but I almost feel I'm supporting Johnny in some small way.
Lizabel, I agree, it's very hard to watch, but like you I want to feel that in some small way I'm supporting him. Always have and always will :heart2:
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Unread post by Jackslady » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:45 pm

Same here lizabel and Jack's Wench, I am watching along and will stick with it just as I did yesterday. Amber's lawyer's questioning is really tedious and wearing, all this text message overthinking, Johnny is doing well and conducting himself with grace and dignity just as he did yesterday. I have covered half the screen as I cannot stand to look at that woman's face.

Thank you to all of you here who are much more knowledgeable than I and continue to give such detailed analysis.
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Unread post by fireflydances » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:34 pm

I think JD is doing absolutely fantastic and I've come to believe that the real "win" here has less to do with Amber losing and more about JD regaining his reputation as an honest, kind and decent man who happens to also work in the film industry from time to time. It's really the media that crucified him. Amber's out of control desire to make him pay in any way possible offered a perfect opportunity for media determined to shred his reputation -- yet another shining Hollywood star they thought they could bring down as an abuser of women.

JD may not like the media but he is a savvy media player who knew that a full out airing of the lies and deeds of AH starring Mr. Depp and featuring the wonders of audiotape would play far and wide. As it has. I do believe many folks in Hollywood are hankering just about now for another heart-to-heart with JD -- maybe there are some properties that would be perfect for him.

But I'd say 'don't bite Johnny' -- keep moving forward. Who needs people that are willing to shred a human being because of the bottom line.
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