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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:47 am

Looks like an organised anti-AH piece of advertising is being driven around by the court today - I personally am not in favour of this type of behaviour - JD has always abhorred bullying and however determined he is for justice he would not want to see this type of thing. I hope it doesn't escalate it just plays to her sense of victimhood.

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Unread post by hollyberry » Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:57 am

AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:47 am
I hope it doesn't escalate it just plays to her sense of victimhood.
Things can escalate very quickly; just look at how the very worthy #blm protests turned violent. I don't want this to degenerate into a slanging match, at the end of the day this is a trial to expose a narcissistic spousal abuser and exonerate her former partner. I understand how angry Johnny's fans are but they need to be careful.

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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:06 am

AdeleAgain wrote:
an organised anti-AH piece of advertising is being driven around by the court today
I'm pretty cynical with her side. I wouldn't put it above NGN et al to have done this just to plead bullying and victimisation. But the crowd has shown itself to be pretty negative to AH, so who knows?......

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Unread post by gipsyblues » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:37 am

hollyberry wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:57 am
AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:47 am
Looks like an organised anti-AH piece of advertising is being driven around by the court today - I personally am not in favour of this type of behaviour - JD has always abhorred bullying and however determined he is for justice he would not want to see this type of thing. I hope it doesn't escalate it just plays to her sense of victimhood.
Things can escalate very quickly; just look at how the very worthy #blm protests turned violent. I don't want this to degenerate into a slanging match, at the end of the day this is a trial to expose a narcissistic spousal abuser and exonerate her former partner. I understand how angry Johnny's fans are but they need to be careful.
:agreesign:

Depp fans should help not hurt Johnny. Believe me, I am also very disappointed and angry, like the whole clan that abused Johnny and still does. But we have to be careful and trust Johnny's lawyers. Like the girl who gave him the white flowers or the wonderful woman who wrote her gratitude on a sign, all of this helps Johnny.

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Unread post by thiefcat » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:41 am

Wow. I am so happy looking through the tweets for the past 2 hours. It does not look good for AH.
Apparently in her opinion, Dr K, EB, SJ, all got it wrong whenever they wrote or said something negative about her or her behaviours. Compared to Johnny Depp, he is more truthful in answering all the qns no matter how negative they were. She also tried to lie about her drug abuse, her bad tempers, SM illegally working from her only to be caught in later evidences presented by EL (Depp's lawyer). EL is very fast and quick witted.

I think AH is too anxious to clear her name and try too hard to pin all the blames on Johnny, indirectly causing her downfalls.

Hurray!!! :)

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Unread post by hollyberry » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:04 am

I'm waiting to see what happens when they start cross examining her.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:29 am

I've read through Nick Wallis' tweets and I simply don't know what to say.

Going to have to wait for the transcript - why is she denying absolutely everything when she must know she's about to be contradicted by evidence. Favourite moment so far:

Play the tape or hear transcript where she admits throwing things
EL so we’re in agreement. you threw things
AH I’m not agreeing to throwing anything
@nickwallis
[I’m confused now]

Oh Nick, welcome to our side of the roaring rapids.

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Unread post by Lbock » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:38 am

My head is spinning. I don't know what just happened. Depp's Lawyer would ask a question, and AH would just start telling some unrelated story. Everyone so far is lying, even the doctors and nurse. I don't know how they are going to get a working testimony from her.

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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 am

I'll have to read through the transcript as well to get the full picture. I feel like people on Twitter are being too celebratory... It's not like Johnny never contradicted what Ms Wass said, or never said someone was giving a false account etc. I do feel like Amber is doing a lot worse, but that might be personal bias?

What does everyone think of Dr. Kipper? So far he's been quoted talking unfavorably of Johnny and Amber. Johnny also said Kipper wrote down things Amber said about him, she's saying the same thing now - instead of personal observations? I'm just not sure what to make of him.

Also - so far it seems like Kate James was referring to this bit in Amber's witness statement being fabricated from her own trauma (spoiler because very expletive language referring to SA):
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So it looks like Amber isn't actually accusing Johnny of raping her - unless we get another bombshell allegation (I think this would be breaking news if it was the case).
AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:47 am
Looks like an organised anti-AH piece of advertising is being driven around by the court today - I personally am not in favour of this type of behaviour - JD has always abhorred bullying and however determined he is for justice he would not want to see this type of thing. I hope it doesn't escalate it just plays to her sense of victimhood.
I agree 100%.
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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:03 am

I only threw things at him to keep him in line ("on track")

and that bit about I was only hitting him because he was vomiting and passed out (worried he was ODing I guess). Saint Amber (and after all, its not like she decked him). It was for his own good.

:biglaugh:

Look what he made her do!!

She almost started OK and poised I thought (with the lies flowing out with confidence), very quickly the evidence started piling on and it just started crashing, then eventually it all slipped into some sort of twilight zone.

Each time they go to file is exquisite :)

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Unread post by In-too-Depp » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:03 am

hollyberry wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:57 am
AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:47 am
Looks like an organised anti-AH piece of advertising is being driven around by the court today - I personally am not in favour of this type of behaviour - JD has always abhorred bullying and however determined he is for justice he would not want to see this type of thing. I hope it doesn't escalate it just plays to her sense of victimhood.
Things can escalate very quickly; just look at how the very worthy #blm protests turned violent. I don't want this to degenerate into a slanging match, at the end of the day this is a trial to expose a narcissistic spousal abuser and exonerate her former partner. I understand how angry Johnny's fans are but they need to be careful.
This is a new campaign and not something connected to Johnny fans but a divorce group for men. No surprise they'd choose this location to make a point.
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:05 am

No the claims of sexual violence are not going to be heard in open court - if needed JD's barristers even question her on them. They may decide that since there is likely no supporting evidence, and it is for the Sun to prove the case - they cannot and therefore don't ask - then Miss Wass can't ask.

I think that's how it works. But if they do question her we won't know about what's said.

I can't imagine what Johnny is thinking sitting listening to this. But I suppose he's used to it.

I have hesitated to say anything because overall JD would not be here without Adam Waldman (much less have got money back from the accountants and the huge lawyer payout) - but I have been thinking for a while I wish he's stop tweeting. It's kind of fun and fine to do it about people not actually part of this - but I wish he wouldn't get quite so close to the bone. He's certainly got on NGN's nerves though so can't fault him for that.

Lbock - I've been thinking exactly the same about Whitney but she may not actually be in the court, maybe kept in a waiting room.

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Unread post by Lbock » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:10 am

I've been reminded, since this is a Civil Lawsuit, witnesses can be in the court if they choose. I guess Johnny made the request because of their past - abuser/victim status.

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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:18 am

And I love the way she re-framed "Til Death do us part" as a murder threat!

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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:48 am

AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:05 am
No the claims of sexual violence are not going to be heard in open court - if needed JD's barristers even question her on them. They may decide that since there is likely no supporting evidence, and it is for the Sun to prove the case - they cannot and therefore don't ask - then Miss Wass can't ask.
I thought Kate James had read about it in Amber's witness statement, which appears to have been released to the press (Nick quoted from it).

"This is my second statement. I make it in response to paragraph 43 only of Amber Heard's Fifth Witness Statement."
( )

So we might not hear the discussions about it, but it should be included in the statement, right?
AdeleAgain wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:05 am
I have hesitated to say anything because overall JD would not be here without Adam Waldman (much less have got money back from the accountants and the huge lawyer payout) - but I have been thinking for a while I wish he's stop tweeting. It's kind of fun and fine to do it about people not actually part of this - but I wish he wouldn't get quite so close to the bone. He's certainly got on NGN's nerves though so can't fault him for that.
I had the same thoughts, and I agree with NGN this morning saying the "in memoriam" tweets sound morbid.

... Ok, I don't think I was biased before. This is going terrible for Amber. The contradictions, the "everyone is lying" (I can see the reasoning behind Johnny's friends and employees lying - but literally everyone?), the picture evidence, the tapes... I was irrationally afraid they wouldn't get to all of this. I don't see any way for her to turn it around anymore.

Something that is beneficial for Johnny is how they spent 2 weeks talking about "the monster" and it's almost become a sort of eyeroll moment when someone uses that term. So now it doesn't have much of an impact anymore when Amber uses it. That would have been a lot different if she had testified first.
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