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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:28 am

I don't understand that either. It doesn't really make sense for Amber to release it, it doesn't help her case at all.

Laura sounds like she's scared of upsetting Amber and has been telling Amber she was pressured to give a declaration, so her friend / boss wouldn't be mad at her. Maybe Laura is a very sensitive person who generally wants to avoid conflict. She just wanted to stay out of everything.

The only negative thing for Johnny is that Adam Waldman sounds like a pushy guy - but of course he was pressuring her to testify. She has valuable information! Ms Wass suggested that since Waldman wrote the witness statement, it's untrue. She kept citing from it, asking "Whose idea was it to put this here?", but that doesn't matter because it's all true! He didn't fabricate anything, he wrote a summary of the information Laura had given him and she signed it because it's the truth.

A text Laura sent to Amber: "There was not a lie in anything I told you last week. I told Waldman I didn't know anything worth anything just as I told Rick." - She desperately wants to appease her. The point is: Laura never saw Amber with any bruises or other injuries, and I appreciate that she speaks the truth even though she'd rather not talk about it at all.

Quote from Laura on Friday: "... the way that Mr. Waldman was describing it, would be that I would be seeing, you know, it would be very visible to me that it was an injury, and I do not recall that. But I do recall seeing that, you know, she was visibly upset or, you know, she had been crying."

It does not matter that your friend was upset and crying! What matters is if her allegations against Johnny are true. She's accusing her ex husband of serious physical assault and you didn't ever see her injured.

The fact that she's so reluctant to testify and so obviously loyal to Amber makes her all the more credible.
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Unread post by SnoopyDances » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:33 am

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Why would Amber illegally tape a conversation with someone she knew wouldn’t know about abuse or wouldn’t have seen bruises (because they weren’t there). Sounds like all Laura saw was her face a bit red and swollen from crying.
Damage control.

Johnny's team saw her on CCTV with Amber and asked what she noticed...bruising, swelling, etc., and to put it in writing. What she said would damage AH's claims. So in comes Amber to find out what she said to Adam and plant doubt in her mind.

If Laura can't really remember what she saw, maybe Amber could "remind" her there were bruises, etc., or, at the very least, discredit LD's witness statement to Adam, et al.

Why would Amber break her own TRO to coerce Johnny to secretly meet with her and record him? Same thing. To wear him down as she did in the past, drop the suits, confuse his memories, etc.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:11 am

I imagine AH has hundreds of recordings, sounds like she just does it as a habit and keeps anything which may be useful.

Laura clearly didn't want to testify. She initially told Adam she was "in Africa" during that critical week - and he called her out on it.

What he did is what lawyers do. They are pushy on behalf of their clients and to me all this does is further underline the confidence he had in JD's case. He had no idea what she (as AH's friend) would say when he approached her but was so sure that there were no bruises, that he went directly to her and said "this was a hoax and you saw her face. Either just tell me or I'll subpoena you, but you need to tell me."

So a wobbly Laura goes to Adam Waldman's office - confirms she had no noticeable bruises, confirms that AH shouted at Kate.

Yes he tells her that AH was arrested for DV before - seriously did Laura not know this in 2018 or 19 (when was her statement?). This was not him telling her in 2016, this was later when it was all over the news. And likely as not, Laura may have reluctantly told Adam what she knew with a few "I can't believe she would have done this" and Adam says - well she'd been arrested for DV before hand.

Having given the statement she feels wrecked and upset - AH asks to see her. Is that not interfering with witnesses?

Also crucial to the background of all this is that AH, by the time of the recording, is holding out the promise of some work for Elon Musk (Laura says about not having money and "not knowing what's happening with Elon").

How is everyone feeling about tomorrow? I cannot wait for this to be over. Brace yourselves for five days of AH's version of events spun out in the media. The tapes will finally get a decent airing I assume but I am bracing myself for the papers all focusing on her claims of violence rather than her admissions of violence. I wonder if Johnny will go to court - I can't imagine how it must feel to sit there whilst someone lies about you and you can't say anything to defend yourself.

Also brace yourselves for the fact that she will be word perfect in this hoax. She will have studied the statements for months and have been prepped and prepped by the lawyers. She's ready with something when confronted with the tapes - I know it's not decided by 'people' but I hope people remember that her initial position (indeed her/her defenders position until very recently) was that she was terrified of him, could never challenge him or answer back.

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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:17 am

AdeleAgain wrote:
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Also crucial to the background of all this is that AH, by the time of the recording, is holding out the promise of some work for Elon Musk (Laura says about not having money and "not knowing what's happening with Elon").
Good catch!

I can't wait for it to be over either. I think tomorrow will be extremely aggravating, so I'm probably going to avoid the Twitter feeds and instead look at a summary in the evening.

A random question about the recording: Amber pronounces coerce "course", is that an American thing? I was very confused the first time she said it.
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Unread post by Granna » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:36 am

SnoopyDances:

Why would Heard break her TRO to see JD? Think like the two headed snake she is

IF he had "fallen" for the "hug and cuddle", Heard would have twisted it to make that this was ALL JD's idea - crying another "rape" charge against him.

Remember, she pulled this SAME STUNT with a boy in high school.

Hopefully, DS will be handing her lying butt back at her, so she will have no other recourse than to return to Texas and stay there.

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Unread post by FlowerBySea » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:55 am

Granna wrote:
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Remember, she pulled this SAME STUNT with a boy in high school.
Whoa! This is the first time I heard about this, what are the details? Google only took me to last week's events.
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Unread post by Larkwoodgirl » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:41 pm

AdeleAgain wrote:
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Laura clearly didn't want to testify. She initially told Adam she was "in Africa" during that critical week - and he called her out on it.

What he did is what lawyers do. They are pushy on behalf of their clients and to me all this does is further underline the confidence he had in JD's case. He had no idea what she (as AH's friend) would say when he approached her but was so sure that there were no bruises, that he went directly to her and said "this was a hoax and you saw her face. Either just tell me or I'll subpoena you, but you need to tell me."

So a wobbly Laura goes to Adam Waldman's office - confirms she had no noticeable bruises, confirms that AH shouted at Kate.

Yes he tells her that AH was arrested for DV before - seriously did Laura not know this in 2018 or 19 (when was her statement?). This was not him telling her in 2016, this was later when it was all over the news. And likely as not, Laura may have reluctantly told Adam what she knew with a few "I can't believe she would have done this" and Adam says - well she'd been arrested for DV before hand.
Laura D had full-time legal representation the entire time she was filing her depositions. She was not a victim that Adam Waldman manipulated or took advantage of. She had an attorney. Adam only told her the truth about what she could expect to happen.
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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:11 pm

You've probably all seen already. David Sherborne will not be questioning AH - it will be done by a female barrister who specialises in DV cases. Thank goodness because I didn't want to air this but I had a slight concern about optics. NGN has a female barrister - cheap, easy point for AH's team to say she was being bullied by a man.

David Sherborne will be alongside and will do the closing arguments etc - I assume he may also do other witnesses.

I wonder if this is Miss Afia who was around during the pre-case hearings.

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:13 pm

No not Ms Afia - of course you all know. Thank you Lbock!


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Unread post by Granna » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:34 pm

Do you believe Ms. Laws will be handling the questioing concering the private testimony surrounding the SV allegation, as well?

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Unread post by AdeleAgain » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:45 pm

I don't have any special knowledge but it would totally make sense to me that she would do the whole lot.

So pleased they have got a woman doing this. Much as I have come to enjoy dear Mr Sherborne.

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Unread post by ForeverYoung » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:16 pm

At least she can't say now that she was bullied by a man into answering questions.

Nick is covering but only on Monday due to his job but he said that he would try and get the transcripts and post them.

There is someone else who will be covering so we will still be able to find out what is happening

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Unread post by Moonbeam » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:00 pm

Thank you ForeverYoung for the info for a second person covering the trial! Also, thank you to Scott Christy Jones!! :thankyou: This really helps out!
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Unread post by Inquiring Minds » Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm

Everyone seemed to go quiet over the weekend, I thought I was having trouble with the site for a while. :lol: Exhaustion, I felt it too.

I too feel that the LD statement, audio and cross examination was not at all damaging to Team Depp. In fact Adam seems to have been incredibly generous. He invited her to make a statement under her own terms, but if not he would subpoena. Many lawyers under the circumstances wouldn't have offered an invitation. He also pointed out that Johnny thought she was nice and didn't want her grilled.

AdeleAgain's piece was excellent imo (many thanks for your insight):
I imagine AH has hundreds of recordings, sounds like she just does it as a habit and keeps anything which may be useful.I imagine AH has hundreds of recordings, sounds like she just does it as a habit and keeps anything which may be useful.
This didn't work out so well for Nixon. I suspect there will be a number of people in Hollywood happy to see her thoroughly discredited. When it is recognised that she employs extortion (ie using totally fabricated claims, not blackmail for actions actually taken), others may well come forward. Even if they did do something wrong and she has the only evidence, they can use her previous record of extortion to dismiss her claims, discredit any evidence (real or otherwise) as fake and thereby exonerate themselves. Others may go into witness protection. But this all touches on the continued fallout from previous cases, not the UK or the upcoming VA case.
He had no idea what she (as AH's friend) would say when he approached her but was so sure that there were no bruises, that he went directly to her and said "this was a hoax and you saw her face. Either just tell me or I'll subpoena you, but you need to tell me."
I think it was more like "We know you are part of the hoax, tell us all about it and you will be handled kindly". After 3 drafts all mention of her knowledge of or role in the hoax was removed and they permitted her to avoid mentioning anything she knew about Amber's assaults on Johnny. But I suspect what was asked and said and what was cut out of the first 2 drafts probably tells Adam far more than Amber would like. And she doesn't really know what has been inadvertently revealed, and probably nor does LD herself. The UK case is not about the hoax, I won't be surprised if we see a lot more of LD in the VA trial.

I also think that she was advised before seeing Adam that any lie or inconsistency would be found and exploited, so keep it as simple as possible and 100% truthful to avoid being destroyed under xe. Hence her multiple claims that her WS is 100% truthful. No lies.

But I don't think she is telling Amber that Adam bullied her relentlessly but she still refused to repeat his lies. I think what she was saying is "I didn't compromise the hoax by repeating one of its fabrications that will be drawn out at trial and cause problems". And then she says if I don't get a token job with Elon I can blow this all apart on you and the others. But in a "like, um, it was soooo scary, but I still held it together, but wow, when I get hungry and poor that bully may force me to tell the truth".
How is everyone feeling about tomorrow?
Let the evisceration begin :)

True, this will get ugly and be (mostly) reported with extreme bias. I note The Guardian had two pieces over the weekend, one quite balanced by Owen Bowcott and another by Vanessa Thorpe (via The Observer) that just shows how little research a journalist needs to put together a fluff piece. I won't include links for either.

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Unread post by hollyberry » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:38 am

I've noticed left wing sites tend to be biased towards Amber - I was actually disturbed to see one article where a female lawyer argued that we should have all backed her as 'its insulting to women abuse victims'.

It's insulting to ANY abuse victim that an abuser be hailed as the injured party purely because of gender, they are forgetting Amber's previous partner who was also one of her victims. And I'm pretty sure there are others - Heard has a pattern.
I'm also angry to see Paul Bethany getting thinly veiled criticism for defending Johnny even to the extent of hinting that his career will suffer for it. This trial has already had plenty of evidence and witness testimonies revealing Heard as a sociopathic abuser yet the media is still on her side because she's female.
This would not be the case if Johnny wasn't famous.